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Canon EOS-M Digital Camera with EF-M 22mm f/2 STM Lens - Black
- EF-M 22mm f/2 STM Lens
- R-F-4 Camera Cover (Body Cap) for EOS Bodies & Extension Tube Fronts
- LP-E12 Lithium-Ion Battery Pack for EOS-M Mirrorless Digital Camera (7.2V, 875mAh)
- Battery Charger LC-E12 for Battery Pack LP-E12
- E-43 Lens Cap for 43mm EF-M Lens
- EB Lens Dust Cap for EF-M Lenses
- Neck Strap EM-100DB
- Battery Cover
- USB Interface Cable IFC-130U
- EOS Digital Solution Disk
- Instruction Manual and Instruction Software
- One Year Limited Warranty
Canon’s First Mirrorless Camera, the EOS M
The new EOS M is Canon's first mirrorless EOS camera. Combining the imaging quality of a DSLR with the convenience of a point and shoot, it features an 18MP APS-C sensor, a DIGIC 5 image processor, and a 3.0" 1,040k-dot touch-screen LCD. It comes bundled with a 22mm f/2.0 STM lens for continuous and quiet autofocus when shooting video or stills. It has an expandable ISO of up to 25600, and full HD movie mode with the recently introduced Movie Servo AF system.
Canon EOS-M Digital Camera
Mirrorless Design
While the idea of a mirrorless camera is not entirely new, the EOS M is Canon’s first step into this particular arena. Although Canon has just entered the ring, they have come out swinging, and introduced an entirely new lens mount for the mirrorless design, the EF-M. While the EF-M is the proprietary line of lenses for Canon’s mirrorless cameras, there will be an optional lens adapter that will provide expanded compatibility with the entire line of Canon EF and EF-S lenses.
One of the most noticeable aspects of a mirrorless design is its size; it is portable enough to be carried with you at all times. While not quite as compact as a point and shoot, it is significantly smaller than a DSLR due to the removal of the mirror inside the housing. The interchangeable lens capability allows for you to choose various sized lenses depending on your desired shooting situation, and provides better designed optics than a built-in lens. Also in opposition to a point and shoot camera, by using lenses with potentially larger maximum apertures with the camera’s a large APS-C sensor, you will have much greater control of depth of field and selective focus, thereby allowing you to more easily blur backgrounds and isolate your subject matter.
Also well-integrated into the design of the camera is a large, vivid 3.0” Clear View II LCD monitor with a 1,040K-dot resolution. This display features touch screen functionality with a smudge-resistant coating, to maintain a bright and clear display even in sunny outdoor settings. The touch screen supports Touch AF, allowing you to choose your focus points by simply touching specific areas of the image. Menu navigation is also simplified and more intuitive throughout since you can tap to select options rather than relying on a scroll wheel.
18 Megapixel APS-C CMOS Sensor and DIGIC 5 Image Processor
At the core of the EOS M lies a remarkable 18-megapixel APS-C-sized CMOS sensor (1.6x crop factor) that is well-complemented by the quick-performing DIGIC 5 processor. Together, these combine to provide excellent image quality, as well as smooth color transitions and gradations across your entire image. The camera records these in JPEG, RAW, or JPEG+RAW formats. The DIGIC 5 image processor provides increased low-light sensitivity from ISO 100-12800, which is further expandable to ISO 25600 for shooting in incredibly dim situations. For countering the inherent noise when working at such high ISOs, Multi Shot Noise reduction can effectively lessen the appearance of image noise by combining several images together to effectively build up to a sufficient, well-detailed exposure.
The processor also lends itself to giving the camera fast operational speeds, in both how the camera records images and how it functions during navigation. With its remarkably short shutter lag, it can turn on and capture images between 0.2 - 0.5 seconds; while its maximum burst speed captures up to 17 JPEG or 6 RAW images when saving to a fast UHS-I memory card.
A new Hybrid CMOS AF system is another product of this increased performance. This AF mode combines both contrast and phase detection AF technologies for faster and more precise focusing. By utilizing specific pixels on the CMOS sensor, this focusing system is also able to assist in more predictive means of determining focus for subject tracking or work in continuous shooting situations. The built-in Autofocus assist beam aids in achieving quick and accurate focus, however with an EOS-dedicated Speedlite attached to the camera, it will switch to emit the Speedlite’s AF assist beam instead.
EOS Full HD Movie Mode and Continuous Autofocus
Featuring the ability to record full HD movies in 1080p, the EOS M can record well-rendered video in great detail to an SD/SDHC/SDXC memory card, or through the video out and two mini-HDMI out ports. These HDMI ports also allow you to easily display your photos and videos directly onto an HDTV in real-time. When recording you have the option to choose from a variety of resolutions and frame rates, including 1920 x 1080 at 30, 25, or 24fps. Continuous shooting can last up to 44 minutes on a 16 GB memory card, and half that with an 8 GB card. Full manual control over exposure settings and focus is also supported, providing you with the ability to more easily dictate focus and creative exposure techniques.
Manual audio adjustment is possible across 64 different levels, and sound is recorded via a built-in stereo microphone or with an external microphone using the 3.5mm mic input. Another recently introduced feature unique to video shooting is Video Snapshot; this mode captures short video clips at 2, 4 or 8 seconds and automatically combines them into one reel, giving you something reminiscent of a highlight reel or album.
The most significant technology the EOS M supports in relation to video recording is the Movie Servo AF system, providing continuous focusing and full-time subject tracking while recording. This focusing mode is further benefited by the use of an STM lens with an integrated stepping motor. Aside from quick and precise focusing, the stepping motor is also incredibly quiet while acquiring focus, which is something especially necessary for recording the highest quality video.
Creative and Intelligent Modes
While the EOS M does support fully manual operation, you can also employ the Intelligent Auto mode in order to quickly and seamlessly determine the best exposure settings depending on a range of pre-configured settings. When working in this mode, the camera will automatically determine the scene-type you are working in and apply different settings in order to render the scene as best possible. This mode can prove to be exceptionally useful when working at night or during other difficult situations.
Before you take the shot, you can view cropping lines for various aspect ratios, right in the Live View mode of the LCD, so you know exactly how much of the scene will fit into the photo. The camera's Live View function provides Canon's Aspect Ratio feature that allows you to view 1:1, 16:9 or 4:3 aspect ratios in addition to the standard 3:2 ratio. These cropping lines make it easier to compose images, and they can help to expedite printing. Custom aspect ratios are also applied to JPEG images captured directly in-camera.
In addition to the Intelligent Auto mode, there is a range of other features designed to improve how you work with your camera in depicting scenes. Modes like Handheld Night Scene and HDR Backlight Control will help to modify your exposure by combining separate frames together in order to cover a wider range of exposure values. The Handheld Night Scene mode will build up the effective exposure by layering several shorter exposures together rather than one long one.
HDR Backlight Control mode works similarly, however it is combining exposures of differing amounts in order to control highlights and shadows into a single exposure. For even greater creative applications, seven different Creative Filters, including Miniature Effect, Art Bold Effect, and Water Painting Effect, have been incorporated allowing you to modify your exposures in a more wide-ranging and versatile manner.
Once you have captured your scenes you can make adjustments to the look of an image without having to understand complex adjustment options or using a computer and editing software. The strength of the adjustments can be changed between Low, Standard, and Strong, and you can also get away from fully automated white balance by adjusting the look to your taste with the Shoot by Lighting or Scene Type option. These features allow you to get more creative with the look and tone of your images, without having to dive deep into the camera’s menu options or any computer software.
EF-M 22mm f/2 STM and EF-M 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM Lenses
Two lenses are being released in addition the EOS M body, a 22mm f/2 wide angle and an 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 standard zoom lens. The 22mm f/2 STM lens is equivalent to that of a 35.2mm lens in full-frame format, and offers a moderately wide angle of view. This lens’ bright maximum f/2 aperture aids in low light and action shooting as well as providing greater room for selective focus. The lens construction features one aspherical element for aberration reduction and a circular aperture with 7 diaphragm blades for a soft out-of-focus quality.
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The 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM lens is a standard length zoom lens equivalent to a 28.8-88mm lens in 35mm format, giving you an apt range of focal lengths for many different situations. This lens features 3 aspheric lens elements for minimizing lens flare and ghosting throughout the entire zoom range as well as providing greater image clarity and fidelity. It has Dynamic IS that provides the image stabilization needed whenever you record video while walking, and this built-in image stabilization, provides up to a 4-stop equivalent reduction in camera shake. It will prove to be especially useful when working at longer focal lengths or when working in dimly lit situations as well.
Both of these lenses feature Canon’s recently introduced STM stepping motor for improved autofocus capabilities that are 
especially prevalent when working with HD video. The stepping motor provides extra smooth, quiet auto-focusing so there is a noticeable lack of recorded internal noise and smoother transitions while changing focus while recording.
These two lenses provide a solid introductory point for Canon’s mirrorless entry, however they still lack in comparison to the wide range of lenses Canon offers for its general EF lens lineup. However, you can make use of the entire Canon EF range with the EF-M Lens Adapter for full compatibility with both EF and EF-S lenses. The design of the adapter incorporates a tripod collar for use with some of the longest telephoto lenses and it also fully supports all image stabilization and autofocus types found throughout the EF series.
| Canon EF-M 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM | EF-M 22mm f/2 STM | |
| Focal Length | 18-55mm | 22mm |
| 35mm Equivalent Focal Length | 28.8-88mm | 35.2mm |
| Maximum Aperture | f/3.5-5.6 | f/2 |
| Lens Construction | 13 elements in 11 groups | 7 elements in 6 groups |
| Aspheric Elements | 3 | Not Specified by Manufacturer |
| Diagonal Angle of View | 74°20′ – 27°50′ | 63°30' |
| Focus Adjustment | Inner focusing system | Inner focusing system |
| Minimum Focus Distance | 9.8" / 25cm | 5.9" / 15cm |
| Zoom System | Rotating type | N/A |
| Filter Ring Diameter | 52mm | 43mm |
| Dimensions | 2.4 x 2.4" / 60.9 x 61mm | 2.4 x 0.9" / 60.9 x 23.7mm |
| Weight | 7.4oz / 210g | 3.7oz / 105g |
Speedlite 90EX
Lastly Canon is also introducing a new Speedlite, the 90EX, which has been designed with the EOS M’s stature in mind. 
This compact and lightweight flash still features a sufficient guide no. of 30’ / 9m (at ISO 100) and has enough coverage for use with a 24mm (35mm equivalent) lens. The 90EX can also serve as a master transmitter to wirelessly control multiple flash units for more creative lighting setups. Through a 4-channel optical pulse, this flash can control up to 3 other flash groups from 8:1 to 1:8 power setting in 1/2 EV steps from distances of 16.4’ indoors and 23’ outdoors. Even though this flash is specifically designed for the EOS M, it can also be used equally effectively with any other EOS Canon camera with a hot shoe.
The EOS M is debatably overdue from Canon; however their entry into this realm of camera type is certainly worth noting. Pulling features from their DSLR line and inserting them into a body slightly larger than a point and shoot is impressive alone. The large sensor and quick-performing image processor result in exceptionally high quality imagery that is further aided by the use of interchangeable lenses. This camera will certainly serve as a stepping stone for Canon to enter a new market of photographers looking to have the performance of an interchangeable lens camera with the convenience of having something you can carry at all times.
| Compatible Cameras | EOS cameras (ETTL II/ETTL Autoflash) |
| Guide Number | 30' / 9.0 m at ISO 100 |
| Number of Flashes | Approx. >100 flashes |
| Recycling Time | Approx. 0.1-5.5 sec. |
| Flash Range (at Manual) | f/1.4: 21.2’ / 6.0 m f/2: 14.6’ / 4. 5m f/2.8: 10.6’ / 3.2 m f/4: 7.4’ / 2.3 m f/5.6: 5.3’ / 1.6 m |
| AF Assist Beam System | Intermittent flash firing system |
| AF Assist Beam Effective Range | At center: 9.2' / 2.8 m Periphery: 8.2' / 2.5 m |
| Channel Receiver | 4 channel optical pulse |
| Slave Speedlites Controlled | Up to 3 flash groups |
| Controlled Power | 1:8, 8:1 1/2 EV steps |
| Controlled Distance | 16.4' / 5.0 m indoors 23' / 7.0 m outdoors |
| Compatibility | Any EOS system camera with hot shoe |
| Custom Functions | Auto power off (ON/OFF) |
| Power Source | 2x AAA / LR03 batteries |
| External Power Source | N/A |
| Dimensions | 1.7 x 2 x 2.6" / 44.2 x 52 x 65 mm |
| Weight | 1.8 oz / 50 g |
Comments
I have a 60D with several "L" lenses, and I am lucky enough to travel all over the world for work. I have been in a million situations where I wanted a second body or a smaller primary, and the EOS M fits the bill. Had it for 2 days now and I am happy so far. The AF is slow (hint use the touch screen to focus on a specific point) so I am using MF, which I prefer personally. It is annoying not having a VF (optical or EVF) or a rotating screen, but when I tested in the sun this morning (Malaysia this week) it was no more than that - annoying. I was able to see the screen in all circumstances but that did mean that I had to use AF now and then.
Touch screen is amazing (with a capacitative touch screen it should work underwater through a case no problem - please someone make a housing) and menus are classic Canon. One of the other common complaints in online reviews is that the unit feels unbalanced with the 18-55 EFM lens, because of the small size of the grip. This is true, but I bought the old school leather case (just for fun) and found to my surprise that it gives a much better feel - and it looks uber cool
Overall I went in knowing what I was getting, warts and all, and I am very happy. The bottom line is that the pictures are fantastic - everything else is secondary.
Just bought my EOS M and looking for a nice leather case. Where did you find the one you bought?
What about the focus speed? The reviews are pretty bad so far...
The EOS M auto focus is accurate I am sure everyone will agree. The STM motors available for it will do a great job for nice, smooth focusing during video. Otherwise I would have to agree that serious photographers would pause before buying the EOS M due to the reported slower focusing speeds. We will have to see what the market has to say about that.
Purchasing a Canon EOS M was one of the worst errors I have ever made when purchasing any item of photographic equipment. True, it is capable of capturing images with the quality of my EOS 60D, and with the lens adaptor I can use the same lenses that I use on my 60D. Unfortunately the problems with the 'out to lunch' performance of the autofocus on the EOS M means that one either has to wait for the autofocus to come back from its lunch break for the lens to catch up, or forget about using the autofocus altogether. It hunts around for so long for a subject to lock onto that the subject has cleared off well before the EOS M is ready to fire, and the noise! I wear a hearing aid and it still sounds like thunder. Not an ideal piece of kit if you are hoping to shoot movers. Even some non-movers are starting to drop dead of boredom.
Canon are saying nothing, and it looks like current model EOS M owners are likely to see an EOS M mk 2 on the shelves before a firmware update for this one is released. Canon appears to have lost its way with the EOS M, they should have forgotten all about the touch screen technology and stuck with the basics, such as a good responsive autofocus and longer battery life. Canon did well with the construction quality of the EOS M, and ability to get the engine of a EOS 650D into such a cute little package, but at what cost? At the price Canon expect their customers to pay for an EOS M surely one would consider it a joke if it were any other brand. But it's a Canon so one expects an all over top quality image shooter, not one with 'when I'm ready' vitals. Come on Canon either say when we get a fix, or stick with what you are good at and drop the hybrid bollocks just because all the other camera manufacturers are doing it.
Regards;
Nick Kenney
Long-time Canon customer but starting to see Nikon in my dreams again
All this flak from "professional" photographers about the M lacking a viewfinder. Having done some of my earliest and best photography with a view camera, I appreciate the ability to compose with the LCD, especially since the image is not upside down and backwards. A viewfinder is great for "spotting" but lousy for composing. If I considered the M for sports photography--and I can't understand why anyone would--I'd reject it for lack of a viewfinder. But I intend to use it mostly for indoor still and video, photographing musicians in intimate settings. The unobtrusiveness of the M, coupled with the C sensor and the fact that I can use my fast EF prime lenses, seems to make it ideal for my purposes. The only fault that I can find is that the LCD is fixed. Perhaps Canon can take care of that in a future version.
Viewfinders, especially on all but the best SLR csmeras, are basically for pointing and aiming. LCD screens are for composing. And if you're afraid that shooting with a camera with an LCD will make you look like an amateur, you might want to see a therapist. Just remember that the view screen came first, and some of the best photographs ever taken were taken with cameras without viewfinders.
I have a full complement of Canon DSLRs and EF lenses. I have gone through most of the G range as carry around cameras, and I noted that I used the screen more than the viewfinders. My in pocket camera now is an S95, and I'm quite satisfied with it. Oh, and it doesn't have a viewfinder either.
Amen... The voice of common sense and reason. Very refreshing.
Can't wait to try my “L” series glass on this body. Good glass on a basic small body with a reasonably large sensor sounds like a marriage made in heaven for the traveller.
Dragging around a 50d and 5D2 both with battery packs with 7 ‘L’ series lenses and converters together with 580Ex and other accessories is like a gym workout.
EOS-M with 24-105 F4L is going to be fun. Low light with 50mm F1.4 great for indoors. and the little 90ex in your pocket what more do you want?
Is it impossible to bring out a mirror-less camera that has a optical view finder - full frame or APS-C sized sensor - inter-changeable lenses – decent/fast continuous AF – at least a 8000 shutter speed and at a reasonable price? It seems that each camera manufacturer deliberately finds some way to spoil their mirror less cameras.
Fuji have come some way in addressing this problem by at last improving its poor auto focus – manual focus – daft chattering noises and slow write times. However, these cameras and lenses are still too overpriced.
It also seems that via adapters you will be able to use many other lenses from different manufacturers (yes, a good thing) – but you won’t be able to use the old x-fujinon lenses…Why Fuji - why! “Let’s reward lens fans who buy their lenses from other lens makers, but not x-Fujinon lens fans, no - no adapter for you”! And while I’m having a rant - why on just about every camera you have ever made for the last 50 years, you can easily adjust the eye piece for your own eyesight – but not the x-pro 1, no, not on your top of the range camera? You have to buy these little lenses for about £50 extra - that Fuji don’t even make!
Canon EOS M - no view finder - looks - too few buttons.
The new Sony RX1 – no view finder – can’t change lenses – maximum shutter speed 2000?
Olympus & Panasonic – only 4/3rds sensors – really? Are you mental?
The Sony Nex7 is probably the best option – but no optical view finder – complicated menus & still too pricey for what it is. However all Sony Nex will take the old x-fujinon lenses via an adapter. Are you listening Fuji!
And relax…
Yes it is impossible, at least for the optical viewfinder part of your list.
For the optical viewfinder to see through the lens like in an SLR you need a mirror. If you have a mirror then it is an SLR, not a mirrorless.
If the optical viewfinder has its own lens then it will be fixed focal length and wont show the same angle of view as the lenses you attach. This makes it pretty useless for an interchangeable lens camera where you have focal lengths from 10-200mm that the viewfinder needs to handle.
This is the reason they use electronic viewfinders in mirrorless cameras, it is the only decent way of doing it.
Cynic that I am, I can't help but feel that this is a deliberate attempt by Canon to protect its DSLR market, for the price and the features, I don't get it, and say as much.....
Let's not forget that modern photography was born when Ernst Leitz gave us the Leica - a lightweight camera that sacrificed nothing in the way of professionalism, but made it possible for the photographer to always have a quality instrument at hand. This is precisely what the recent mirrorless movement is aiming for, and almost every camera brand - not just Canon - is into it. SLRs have grown like sumo wrestlers, and we need liberation from them.
A swivel/tilt lcd monitor would be very convenient, to shoot over the heads of a crowd, etc ...
I have two Canon DSLRs. My 30D is used as my main camera and my 10D is a backup. They are both great cameras, but obviously I haven't purchased a new camera in years because I've missed a few generations. I've considered upgrading to the 5D and even the 1D, but I've decided to go with the EOS-M instead.
Here's why:
Unless I have a photoshoot scheduled, I never carry either of my DSLRs with me because they are simply too much camera to be carrying around. I have found myself using my camera phone to take pics when I'm out and about. I don't even take the DSLRs to some of the big car shows that I used to love to photograph. I even avoided taking my DSLRs on my recent trip to Europe because I didn't want to be bogged down with a large camera in my bag.
Now that Canon has the EOS-M, I feel like I can get back to taking quality pictures because of it's size. As someone else mentioned here, the best camera is the one that's with you and I won't hesitate to take this with me. As a bonus, I'll be able to use my current lenses with the adapter and I'll get the option to shoot video, which I can't currently do with my 10D or 30D.
I also love the fact that this camera has no viewfinder. I have always wanted live-view and a touchscreen. I've actually missed the live-view option since my first Olympus D10 DSLR and have wanted it back ever since. When I used the Olympus, I always used live-view rather than the viewfinder.
I pre-ordered the EOS-M from B&H on the first day and I feel like Canon made the perfect camera for my needs.
i need a big camera like the canon to take video, then i saw a priend of mine taking awesome video with an i-phone.. I need a good camera for videos for my store in ma. where i sell used cars
I appreciate Tom's comments.
I have a Canon S90 which I carry with me at all times. I'm a Hydro Electric Generation worker in CA. Four seasons landscape, macro, helicopter aerial, and people-working shots make up my portfolio. I'm happy with my S90, print to 20x30 at Costco with good results, and was considering the Sony RX100 to replace my S90 but read the jpegs are so-so.
The catch is I am working, too, and from sad experience know if a camera won't fit in my shirt pocket it will be lost or broken. If the new Canon M will fit in my shirt pocket with the pancake 22mm, I'll probably buy one, as long as the jpegs are first rate. I know what I want to see in each exposure...I just want my vision accurately reproduced without going to post-processing to get it.
For your needs ".I just want my vision accurately reproduced without going to post-processing to get it." best camera are Sigma DP2. Just take a look at samples compared with all other major large sensor mirrorless. Quality is stunning! However there is poor video, no hdr, no 3d etc but you wanted best colors right ?
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Have been waiting for this. Large sensor: Good. Small size: Good. No viewfinder: Really, really bad. Have been using Canon dSLRs for the last 10 years. But this is a no go, sorry Canon. I have started looking at the Oly OM-D; never thought this would happen...
The OM-D reviews I read weren't too great...
Yeah right. Try one, and you'll know why it's a great camera.
there are optical zeiss viewfinders for the hotshoe for about 100 bucks that will do the trick. they might be older then you and I are, but i will go for this option.
I really want to add a mirrorless camera to my bag, but I still want a viewfinder, even if it is an attachment. Plus, the price with the lens adapter is a bit much. Canon may need to rethink this one, especially when the reviews appear.
Whilst I can see that a lack of accessory connection, flash, and viewfinder don't make this attractive to many I think this may be a trick I will look into for underwater photography.
Taking a full DSLR rig down can be cumbersome. Something compact but powerful, with the ability to accept my existing EF lenses is quite enticing for those times that a less bulky rig would be a help.
I look forward to seeing how the housing market develops for this camera. I just wish it didn't need an adaptor to use my current lenses.
Hi,
Looking into this for the same reasons but I freedive, so size matters!
When I put all these complaints in a blender and poured them out, what I found in the glass was the Fuji X-Pro 1. It has the small size, low weight and comforting retro look of a Leica M6, a lens ring with f-stops, and - glory be! - a manual shutter speed dial on top...and then there's that remarkable EVF/OVF combo. It's expensive (twice the EOS-M), but no worse than those high end behemoths we're dragging around now.
Not impressed. It is a misstep for Canon to issue yet another lens mount change. Many of us Canon DSLR users want a quiet (non-mirror) smart digital "film" back to use with our current lenses and not spend another $200 for an adapter. Dumb, dumb, dumb. I expected something great to come out of the delay behind Nikon and Sony -- this is a serious misfire.
It seems you dont understand the concept of a mirrorless camera.
Buy the camera and the adapter and glue them together, never to come off again, then you have what you want.
The difference is in the 'flange focal distance'. The distance between the lens and the CCD is much longer on SLR camera's due to the space needed for the mirror.
In order to use the SLR lenses with the mirrorless camera, you need the exact same distance. This is accomplished by putting an extension tube between lens and camera. Even if the mount was the same, you would still need the extension.
With a shorter flange focal distance, the entire lens can be designed shorter. These new smaller lenses would not work on SLR even if they had the same mount, so another mount is justified.
Ditto. Excellent idea.
I want a <$399 full frame 12-24MP digital "back" with no 'conversion' for all my old EF lens and EX flashes. Video would be nice but not a must.
Maybe a 3rd party should submit a "Kickstarter" proposal to develop this, I bet we could raise $5M in a heartbeat.
To all you smarty pants, please don't suggest I buy a Canon 5D Mark II, this is not what we're looking for here.
The fact is, DSLRs are too freaking big, heavy, and cumbersome to be with you all the time. Therefore all the wonderful photos you see will only remain a dream and not manifested. The iphone HDR mode is amazing! Only 8mp, but at least YOU GOT THE SHOT. Just watched an incredible OnOne software demo on a pic from his iphone!! This new camera is the bomb. My DSLR will stay set up for the studio. Besides, now you can use your iphone or ipad to control your camera remotely!! If you are a serious photog, you need to be wearing a hat and sunglasses for protection, both which make using a manual viewfinder a pain!! Wear a hat with a wide brim and the light wont bother your LCD, plus, who photographs in heavy bright light anyways??? The HDR backlight control is going to be a dream. Who wants to set these shots up manually?? really?? If you don't create custom color profiles for your images, you will never be a professional, so no amount of whining will make things better for you.
Yikes! After reading the comments below I got the feeling camera manufacturers should make camera kits that can be custom-assembled by photographers. How else to offer something for everyone?
While I understand why so many commentators want view finders, they are not the best of solutions anyway, even during the golden days of film. I have a snap-on viewfinder for my Leica M3 and it did not give a true, 100% view of the picture I was composing. (This seems to "mirror" the complaint about digital sensors and LCD screens not offering 100% image coverage either.) For my M3, I also have a 21mm Super Angulon lens as well as a 50 mm Summicron but alas, the elements in both lenses got contaminated with mold years ago rendering that great camera useless.
As for the ongoing complaints about sun reflections washing out the images on digital LCD screens, I wear a hat for just such occasions (I wear only Ed Hardy-designed caps but regular baseball caps should work just as well) and take it off to use an an "umbrella" to shade and negate the direct effects of sunlight. Try it sometime; it's worked for me for years.
I find the current arguments and hype about "mirror less" cameras somewhat amusing. My old Leica M3 is "mirror less" and has interchangeable lenses so, what's the big deal about a contemporary digital camera being "mirror less" with interchangeable lenses?
That said, I've gotten the feeling that camera manufacturers like Canon have been missing the mark lately.
I've been in the market for a new camera for over a year now and thought the G1 X was the answer when it was introduced in January of 2012 - until I found out the Macro setting would only allow me to focus no closer than 8"-10". With 50% of my shooting being in Macro mode when using my G7, G9 and G10, it was a no go. Things improved with the new EOS M as its Macro setting allows for a 5" distance but, if one is manufacturing a mirror less camera and touting the interchangeable lenses available for it, why sell the new EOS M body affixed to a 22mm lens as the kit lens? I'd much prefer the 18mm-55mm lens and am puzzled why Canon doesn't allow for point-of-purchase lens choices like they do with DSLRs.
The Canon blurb for the 90EX Speedlight says it's "compatible with lenses down to 24mm". Say what? With the kit lens being 22mm, does that mean the Speedlight will be incompatible with it? And how come the Speedlight isn't flexible? Sounds like Canon rushed to market before thinking things through with the new EOS M.
Suggestion: Dear Canon: how about a brand new G2 X model with a true Macro setting like my G7, G9 & G10? This new hypothetical G2 X camera, with a G10 or G12 Macro setting and powered by the G1 X's advanced sensor which wowed all reviewers with its resolution and color fidelity, would surely induce ME to run out and buy such a beast - ASAP. Hey, I'm even willing to wait until October! So....what's the problem??
You really didn't have to say that you only wear Ed Hardy caps... why are you trying to show off?
LOL
For someone with such technical knowledge, and so many spendy cameras, you've certainly chosen some of the most retarded looking hats possible! I typically chuckle to self while shaking my head when seeing those goofy baseball caps painted with gaudy glitz. I'm only saying this because it seems you are quite proud of said cap in a bit of a pretentious fashion.....just bustin balls....thanks for your input, on all but the cap!
We should probably all take a breather and wait until we have tried this baby before having such strong views. OK the viewfinder comments probably are not going to change as theer is no way for that to appear on thsi model. Many of the interface comments seem premature since there is the wheel on the back, that I'm sure can handle at least exposure compensation in P mode or Aperture/Speed as needed in their modes. Note sure if there is any way to have two rotary controls for full manual like on the s90-100 series.
I admit I's love a good viewfinder, but I'll probably get this camera because right now I do a lot of indoor stuff and for that I've almost adapted to the rear LCD. If I get it I'll buy the EF adaptor so when needed I can use some special lenses like my Macros. I like that it can also be the master in an EOS flash setup, even though I may not ever use that.
Price wise it seems a bit steep, but will wait for the street price. Some other comparable cameras have more features, but not EF compatibility and their interfaces are really bad... especially if you are use to Canon, although this might be different that other Canons with the new touch screen options. Still Canon usually gets the interface pretty good. And stellar compared to the competition.
I want my own hands on... then I'll decide.
I have mixed emotions about this reels.
It´s grate to have a small compact like camera in the Eos system but I concur in concerns in what direction Canon goes with this camera.
I am one of the old school pros and in me career I have gone from the Canon F1 on to the Eos system when that came out.
Working on most tips of Eos pro cameras and lenses.
I have learned over the years that the trick to photography is a simple approach to image making, and easy control of the camera. In me opinion good manual control is everything.
There for I am bit skeptical about not having nopes with instant access to shutter speed and f stop.
I also think it is a big mistake not to include a viewfinder in the camera, One simply has to be able to see what you are doing in all circumstances.
I serenely think Canon shut think this over.
Thorkell
To me this is again just the first camera in the EOS M mount. I am assuming Canon will fill the range with both low end (The current version) and the high end as well similar to the G and S line where G series had more external controls while the S line was more pocket friendly.
I will wait for the one with more external controls.
This camera is not for me. But FYI, you're right about the viewfinder. I had a Sony that worked great inside, but imposible to view outdoors.
Longtime and faithful Canonista... starting with many a film camera body and now well into my "digital" collection... but have to say I think Canon comes up short on this one. First -- no viewfinder is a deal breaker for me... several other manufacturers have come out with decent electronic viewfinders, so why not Canon. Obviously, I will continue to use my DSLRs for serious shooting.. but even for casual family photos or grab shots when I don't feel like carrying the full load... cannot see me using the LCD to compose images... not a steady way to hold a camera, and darn near impossible to see on a bright day in any case. Guess what I don't quite understand is why so many are trying to come up with a "new" small camera design. Canon has some great point and shoots... for what they are... and in the past, folks like Canon, Nikon, Olympus, even old brands like Yashica... have had some excellent film rangefinders. Of course, there is always Leica if you want to mortgage the homestead... but surely Canon could come out with a "renaissance" rangefinder camera... with optical viewfinder, digital sensor, interchangeable lenses, and give us Canon shooters a meaningful and capable solution somewhere between point and shoot and DSLR. Come on Canon, take a look at this... it could really set you apart!
Amen. Amen. Amen.
Excuse me in advance if I sound grumpy... but this is not the camera I have been waiting 3 years to buy.
2012 has not been a banner year for Canon. First we get the G1X, which was a huge disappointment to almost everyone who reviewed it, not to mention many of us who bought one. I have since sold mine.
Then we get the replacement for the beloved 5dMKii, except it costs almost twice as much as its predecessor. Now we get this late-to-the-party, me-too camera with only two lenses out of the gate. Maybe Canon inherited HPs outgoing CEO... or maybe they are just lost.
I will not buy this camera, and many others won't either. It lacks real controls (try using a touch screen while shooting video!), a viewfinder, and a usable selection of lenses. And that's just the stuff we know about.
Releasing a product to market a year or two late, with no differentiating features, is a fast path to failure. Even for the lofty Canon.
This is all vaguely reminiscent of GM in the 1970's :-(
OK. This camera is a miss for me. I'd want some traditional control -- a knob for modes, custom functions, exposure compensation. A while to make adjustments, in addition to an s100 style lens ring. Viewfinder yes, absolutely. Price, at least 200-300 cheaper. This is just a mirrorless rebel that is going to work slower and be harder to use. Not a good tradeoff for slightly smaller size. At least for what I'd want. And it seems they are also killing the market for the G12, GX1 etc. Just a lot of head scratching about what they are trying to accomplish and who they think would use it.
So here's what I'd buy.
Big sensor, small body. Interchangable lens, more manual control. Priced less than a rebel.
This camera will be fantastic for me. I need to shoot concerts for the New York Summer Music Festival, and a good number are chamber music and small ensembles. The irritating and totally unnecessary whine and slap of the mirror in my T3i is ridiculously loud and interferes with the recordings of every concert. A camera that has NO mirror, NO extraneous noise, that can still use my thousands of dollars of Canon lenses, will be hugely appreciated by myself and by the audiences.
So there is aperture-priority auto-exposure, and the specs say manual focus is possible.
I'd like to see a peaking focus indication with highlighted edges in manual, like the Sony NEX cameras.
Still haven't seen vibrational sensor cleaning in any announcement.
Vibrational sensor-cleaning? I HATE manual sensor cleaning with a swab!
Manual focusing? AF doesn't always work, and some adapted lenses will be manual-focus anyway.
Aperture-priority exposure mode with manual / non-Canon lenses?
** Maybe I missed them, but I didn't see any of these. **
I don't get all the grief here. If even 90% of what Canon has claimed about this EOS M is accurate, then it's like the best thing that they've ever done. Seriously.
It's a fun camera that doesn't pretent to be anything other than what it is.
I bet all you gear-heads are just dying to hange your 400 2.8 on it, right? Oh wait, you don't have one - I forgot. Sorry 'bout that.
I think everyone complaining here must be that type that stands around the camera store with the new gear-bag and highly-polished UV filtered L lenses hanging on the latest D-whateva with a battery pack stuck on the bottom to make it look like a real camera.
Here's a newsflash - Canon hasn't made a real camera in a long time. They make computers now. They shape them like cameras so all of the photographically challenged trust-fund babies can get a job at their local weekly.
Normally, I'd say go get a hobby but you all seem to have found one.
Complaining online.
Get over it - this M thing is a nice little camera. I would bet that Kertez, Brassai, or Bresson could shoot the pants off ya with it.
Yeah, I said it. Now go prove me wrong Bucky.
Bresson would just declare, zee 22mm lens is standard you zee? It sees what our eye sees.....blah blah......
I think I love you. Thank you.
4.3 frames per second???? and it's mirrorless???
I've been led to believe that the mirror is the biggest hold back to increasing the frames per second (Canon Dx - basically 10 fps unless the "mirror" is "locked up" then you can get 14 fps -- how useful is this when you can't see anything with the mirror locked up - not to mention focus on a moving subject).
Maybe in couple of years it may have its advantage, but when I compare the price to the basic entry level DSLR(and the variety of lenses that fit it), this camera doesn't appear to be worth the money (unless of course you're into the newest and neatest [not necessarily the most useful]).
no view finder / no go - oh well....
No way if there is no viewfinder.
I just got to laugh at a lot of the comments on these threads. I've been using a lumix gh2 since it came out, and I could never go back to one of those bulky DSLRs. Granted, most of my work is for documentary video work for nature films and I shoot everything from wildlife to timelapses. Best part is few people can tell any difference between my little mirrorless GH2 from a Canon 5mark2 or 7d.
These things rule if you aren't a road photographer, and want to get into the backcountry to shoot. These systems are about 1/2 the weight of the old DSLRs and they are also fast, and while they aren't "full sensor" they still provide really nice photos, and do very well on video. Also, TTL is pretty much dead. I can't recall when I've used TTL and i'm out shooting in the daylight, and in bright mountain sun all day long. Never had much of an effect on the quality of work i've been able to get out of my Lumix.
Too much gearfaggotry in this thread and not enough artists. This camera sounds pretty darn good to me, and i'd buy it just for the price to see what it can do. Mirrorless (ie pure digital) is the future. Keep sticking with the horse and buggies.
Alot of the comments above seems to be from pro photographers. This camera from Cannon is probably not meant for the pros. Just like Sony NEX lines are marketed toward casual photographers that are looking for an upgrade without breaking their "back". :D
I agree. I'm an ex-pro photographer (working in the film industry) and at first I was turned off by all of the obvious things: no optical viewfinder, no buttons for exposure/iso/etc changes, no pc port. But then I remembered I mostly take photos for travel, family, family events, etc and no longer need most of that stuff to function. And I love the idea of not drawing the attention of that the 5D MarkII seems to draw.
Love it, Canon. I'm preordering now.
All those people complaining about the lack of a viewfinder and saying that the LCD screen will washout under the bright sun... go buy a LCD viewscreen hood.
Having a viewfinder adds more weight and the camera will be bigger and won't fit inside a large carrying pocket.
Looking forward to test reviews of this camera.
Looks convenient for personal, non professional photography. And if you're complaining about not having a Single Lens Reflex viewfinder, then get a DSLR! You can't have your cake and it it too.
No sale Canon, need a view finder out here in the bright desert sun.
Alright. I’m going to try to approach this as best as I can.
I’ve been a believer of the mirrorless system ever since its introduction back in 2009 (don’t burn me if I got the year wrong, that was when I was 1st introduced to it.) The system appealed to me because of the size, the weight, and the control that it had over a traditional point and shoot. I started out with a Lumix G1 and then made me way to a Samsun NX10, then finally to a Nikon V1.
Eventually though, I gave up on all of them because they were all trying too hard. And what I mean by that, for a student who’s going to college, there’s a reason why I have the Sony A77.
Why I invested more money and time into DSLRS (I know the A77 isn’t a DSLR) but I’ve had other cameras that were. What I’ve been looking for (and this is based on the mirrorless cameras that I used) is a camera that’s dumb enough for me to pick up, put in my bag, and take it out to enjoy the day with. I’m not looking for the professional operations and settings. I’m not looking for the complete manual control. I’m not looking for a backup. I’m looking for a camera that isn’t my A77, the camera I use for my work. I want a toy, a camera to play with, a camera to work on a daily blog and share daily photos. The reason why this camera appeals to me because I think here Canon wasn’t trying to make this into another source of photography that you could take out to the field or in the studio.
I am sure that there will be those who make it work but the appeal to the mirrorless system is its simplicity. A day to day kind of camera and when I look at these specs and what the camera has to offer, it’s pretty damn simple. This to me is a winner where the Nikon V1 failed me, where the rest of the cameras failed me because they all tried to be more instead of being what they were actually meant to be. Simple, easy to use, small and portable.
(I'm sorry for any grammer or spelling mistakes)
All right, then. WHERE is the FD-EOS M adapter?
This looks like a great opportunity to revive my old FD lenses.
Nice try Canon, but, as they say at the carnival, "No cigar!" For me, a view finder is absolutely essential and I will not purchase a camera that lacks one. Also, from what I can see, there is no printed user manual. There are times when a computer is not handy to allow me to read a manual so, if you think so little of your customer that you fail to include a user manual at the price, then I shall not purchase this camera. And lastly, hanging this small camera on the back of a big Canon DSLR lens by using an adaptor makes little sense as the balance will be poor. Got the big lens; might as well use a full size DSLR. If you want to go to the head of the pack in this mirrorless field, you had better incorporate an optical viewfinder. At least for photographers who find it a handy way to frame a shot in bright sun, at night, or when you are in a crowd and care not to share your photo framing with those around you or when you want the added intimacy with your subject that only happens in a viewfinder. Carry on with your second edition.
Basically, the same specs as the Canon T4i but without the mirror/viewfinder. I make documentaries with a variety of 5Ds/7Ds with L and Zeiss glass. As a 3rd or 4th camera, this little guy might work for pick-up shots. Sensor is not full-frame but OK, relatively high ISO is good, and new servo AF with stepping motor lens may allow me to avoid focus-pulling. And HDMI out to a 6" SmallHD motor and external recorder uncompressed mounted on a tiny rig might be beneficial. But at this point, there are more questions than answers. We shall see...
Love the camera, and the fact that I can use my Canon lens, hate the fact no view finder have the original NEX-5 and it stinks in the bright sun but works great otherwise, looking at the NEX-7, was hoping that Canon would have built a better one, NOT
Assuming that this 1st gen camera is as good as its specs sound it may be good competition to the CASIO, but not to the Panasonic. We will see. Those focused on view finders are left over luddites and technophobes—assuming that the LCD is adequate, quite a few aren't.
Don't never buy a camera without a view finder. Might look good in the store, but as soon as you get outside, you are going to miss it.
Why
Can't you see what you are shooting
on the LCD hos does the view finder help
Marvin
Novic
Amen to that bro! A solid piece of advice.
Fantastic news!
So when I need a light second camera body, I can attach one of my L lenses and away we go.
This is awesome.
Will this qualify for the CPS program?
Hello,
I am sorry, we do not participate in the CPS program. Please contact Canon directly to see what their policy is concerning the new camera.
Finally a ILC from Cannon. Like my father always told me "better late than never!" Will be awaiting the reviews of different buyers and professionals alike. However my dream camera is a software driven camera. No more lenses. No more bulk. No more constantly buying cameras to acquire upgraded features. Its a waste of $$$ and natural resources.
I gather Canon didn't even provide for a optional EVF. the EVF for the Sony NEX cameras is fantastic and permits the camera to be small and very pocketable yet very usable in the bright light. It seems that canon based their design on the Sony NEX 3 or 5 but not the 5N or F3. They had so much to look at from everything already out there but somehow went for minimum buttons and direct control, a real shame.
The ability to use legacy glass sounds great but until you try using it and the constraints THAT WEIGHT AND SIZE put on using the camera with that glass and the adaptor, it quickly becomes most awkward. I found it unbearable which is why I sold my Sony e2 adaptor.
Yeh? So what ...
Not a compelling proposition to own one!
The lack of a viewfinder is a serious impediment (in my opinion) to me buying this camera because I do not want a point-and-shoot type camera with the ability to change lenses. Which consumer base is this camera released for??? Really!!
I am interested in this camera bacause it enables me to use my EF lenses for taking videos up to 44 min., although 44 min. is not really long enough and this stupid limitation will be lifted soon.
Really? When's the last time you did a 44 minute uninterrupted scene? No one since Warhol, so far as I know, has done that. The 44 minutes does not refer to total on the card, but a single scene. At 44 minutes, I suspect that things would get pretty hot, and the battery pretty low.
I shoot video for a living. And more times than I can remember, I've been on gigs that required hours of continuous shooting. I have always used a true camcorder for main (xf300 with two 32gig cards gets me 162min continuous) and a variety of b-cams. Last gig was 6 hours non-stop shooting and I used my 5D mk3 as a b-cam. Went through 4 batteries. No overheating issues. Having to hit the start button every 29 minutes was better than the old 12 min limit on my 7D. 44 min would be even nicer!
Lots of other things have me excited about this camera. Ever try mounting a full DSLR in a car for a driver/passenger view? Pain in the rear! Also, on a Steadicam-style rig, wouldn't need the arm and vest allowing tighter spaces to be shot. Continuous AF in video? Perfect for Steadicam or jib use to keep the talent in focus!
The best part is my case full of Canon L lenses will work!
This will be a great addition to my kit and I can't wait til October!
It's nice that Canon has finally got into the mirrorless game, but too late for me. My main camera is a 5DII but my little camera is a Sony NEX-7, which has the built-in EVF. The reason I paid over a thousand bucks for the little Sony is because it had a built-in EVF. I keep it with me most of the time, or in my car. It saved me on a recent commercial video shoot where I was in a situation where the 5DII with Zacuto LCD viewer on the back and 24-105 on the front was too long for the tight spot. If this new Canon had an EVF like the Sony, I'd probably sell the Sony and get it. But without the built-in EVF, it won't work for me.
Still, it looks to be a decent camera that will find a market. Lots of pros who shoot video with the 5DII want a second camera that's smaller and lighter. Generally they go for the T3i, but that also requires an LCD viewer on the back to use effectively for video, and once you do that, it's not a camera you can stick in a briefcase--which is why the mirrorless concept is good. I'm assuming this camera will give you full manual control in video mode, but that bears checking out.
Bah :
What a let down...
FUJI X100 for the win!!!!!!!!!
C'mon Canon: An APS-C "Cannonet" would simply rock!
Agree no "real"( optical /GLASS) vf no payola!
Yes: Kids we actually took pictures by individually manually focusing and exposing each shot!
Now we gotta' go through the whole: "internet Rumor; confirmation; press release;wait for us introduction and inherently disappointing first review; firmware update "v.nth"; production".Product development cycle from my beloved Canon.
Can't we all just get a real ILC range finder for less than the price of a Landrover?( Leica ? are you listening?)
Surely FUJI could resurrect the old 670 rangefinder body with the leaf shutter fixed lens ; stuff in a kickass sensor...
Better luck next time Canon...sigh. I will continue to lug around my 1d and sit on my "disposable" cash.
Ok I see your point... But.... but why not utilize the "no vibration" Pellicle mirror like they used in the EOS RT?
One could still achieve small size, no vibration AND with a rangefinder... Again I reference the Fuji X1 Pro...
If Canon "Had" included this feature, Canon wuld get my money not Fuji. Remember business minds out there, this is about the money and maintaining market share not losing it....
There already IS a digital camera with a rangefinder - it's called a Leica...
Or a Voigtlander.
Hear, hear, it has to have a viewfinder to be considered an option for the professional. Pretty impossible to shoot in anything but ideal circumstances without a viewfinder. didn't they have any feedback on this when designing this camera? Other than that, I like the adapter for EF lenses, and the the 2 lens options are good, so far. I use a Lumix for my carry around camera, but it is limited because of no viewfinder (and extreme shutter lag), but otherwise a great secondary camera. Just not a professional camera.
You think Michelangelo first impression of a new paintbrush was met with such negativity? NO! I'm sure he embraced the opportunity to paint in ways never known before. How small you must feel to really believe you guys really love photography.
The lack of an eye-level finder is the reason I would never buy this camera and the reason, IMO, it is really more like an interchangeable lens P&S. I realize that there are many people who like using the LCD for viewing. Heck, you see them all the time with one handed, two finger grips squinting at the LCD which has been washed out but the sun shooting their snapshots. IMO, this is a fairly nice toy, but little more than a toy. If all digital cameras lacked eye-level viewing, I would definitely still be shooting film. I am sure that the image quality is fine, but, IMO, the ergonomics sux. BTW: does the accompanying flash tilt? It doesnt look like it does. If I needed a small and compact camera to replace or augment my several Canon DSLR cameras, I would probably look seriously at the Panasonic Lumix FZ200. It is a bit bigger but, there is a point of diminishing returns when it comes to camera sizes.
Hello, you are all missed the fact that isn't a mirror inside, this will increase the quality and of course the portability, it isn't to made as an replacement of your beloved DSRL, but as a complement, like the iPad it's for the PowerMac.
This it's an advance, don't be affraid of changes.
Okas
Duh, the mirror in a (D)SLR is not even in the optical path when the picture is taken so it CAN'T affect the picture. That's the whole point.
And one more thing. There is no such thing as a "Power Mac".
World's gettin' dummer (sic) every day...
You are correct! The world is 'gettin dummer' every day...Especially with each generation of 18-25rs' lacking the capacity to acknowledge the world existed prior to their graduation from high school..
Power Mac (Power Macintosh) 1994-2006
Apple Computer Corporation
Operating system support: Mac OS 7.1.2 - Mac OS X 10.4
Personal computer and workstation platform powered by an Alpha based risc processor manufactured by IBM under the PowerPC moniker through a design and architecture partnership between Apple, IBM, Motorola.
Not sure if they are still teaching math in school, but that is a longer life cycle than the current Intel based platform.Your assertion of knowledge regarding what does not exist should have been proceeded by familiarity of a platform that has a longer lineage than the current Apple computers..
hahahaha Indeed, i blame television and fluoride.
I don't think the fact that it is mirrorless is lost on anyone here. Especially since all are comparing it to other mirror-less offerings from Sony, Fuji etc.
Most understand the compromise with these but the lack of an actual VF is a deal breaker for many. Fuji ups the ante by actually offering an EVF AND an OVF.
What's a "PowerMac?"
PowerMac? What era are you from? PowerMac's haven't existed FOREVER!
You get my point, I'm PC user.
Enticing a pro to this camera is gonna be a tough sell without a viewfinder...
Fuji X-1Pro gets my vote for the money especially if I need an adapter for my Canon EF lenses with this beastie....
Did Canon actually do a focus group within the pro and prosumer markets before building?
I like a viewfinder... Why not rangefinder? I am sitting here looking at my Canon G-III QL 35mm rangefinder shaking my head...
Who really thinks this is targeted at the pro or even the prosumer market? I don't see it.
I'm still trying to figure out this market...the only advantages I see are with camera size and flexibility of lenses, but are these lenses as good as the EF or EF-S lenses on the mirrored DSLR side? Is the sensor of the same quality as the mirrored DSLR side?
The exclusion of a viewfinder is not the determination of whether this camera is prosumer-worthy or not. Unless you own a 7D, 5D MkIII, 1D or better, you're not even getting full viewfinder coverage. Not even 5D MkII has 100% coverage. It's a bigger viewfinder and you hold it differently; get used to it!
I'm commenting on this as a pretty much old-school photographer who is used to having a viewfinder, but times change.
Frankly, I'm not a 100% convinced of this product market. I think the cost is still prohibitive even with the advantages of smaller size and weight. I just don't see the advantage of buying this over a T3i at the same price (in some stores, T3i is $50-100 cheaper) with an unknown quality of lenses, and no built-in flash.
I'm getting a little tired of comments about what this camera isn't.
It is what it is and if it doesn't suit you, they evidently didn't make it for you.
It is a new camera and if you don't like it, don't buy it.
Clearly Canon has customers in mind when it releases products and given the vast variety of cameras there are lots of choices.
I think this product was released in response to critics and pundits.
Truly, is there a market for this ilk of camera? I'm just reminiscent of the entire APS line of cameras that was introduced and failed back in the day. It was driven by the camera manufacturers and Kodak, but it was a solution with no real problem to solve and no substantially real demand.
I see this as beneficial for the customer who has owned nothing but a P&S but did not want to invest in a larger camera but because of the size, but wanted the advantage of interchangeable lenses. I'm not sure how many people there are who fit this need. I wouldn't necessarily put these folks in the prosumer bucket.
Well... the point of having a mirrorless camera is that it's small, has good image quality and is fully functional. Canon has gone one better than the Olympus and Panasonic versions by squeezing an APS-C sized sensor into what look like a very small package, and it's a bonus if uses the full range of Canon lenses. What's been sacrificed is the viewfinder, which is a significant loss. A clip-on viewfinder would be the logical solution. Let's see whether the next iteration adds that feature. But at least there's a Canon alternative to the growing number of 1" sensor point & shoot cameras and ILCs like the Oly-Panasonic range. This first effort doesn't match up well against the Sony NEX series, but it's not a bad start.
I see what looks like three extra contacts on the hot shoe, in addition to the standard and dedicated Canon flash contacts.
Considering how fast USB 3 is for example, that would probably be enough contacts for serial video transfer to an accessory EVF without too much latency.
They may have one planned for later release. That would be a must for me, plus an adaptor to use my M-mount Leitz, Voigtlander and Zeiss lenses. I'm an eye-level viewfinder guy from way back, starting with Grandpa's Leica M3 in the 1960s.
Could be great for low profile run and gun B-roll cam, with out drawing a lot of attention or a good crash cam option. Definitely not an "A" Cam setup but I'm sure someone will want to rig it up that way.
Another on for the consumer. I will stick with the 5DMKII and 5DMKIII, or my 60D or 7D.
This camera is for sure not for the professional videographer or photographer. What is next Canon....
Bubble Gum..
you must realizes that variety of design is for all type of people... this obviously its not for you, get a polaroid
No viewfinder? That is a deal killer for me and others I know.
Hello,
At this time, there is no mention of a viewfinder from Canon USA. We will of course post new accessories as they become available.
You got that right, deal killer. I'm not some point and shoot wanna be so I assume this is for the dorks who want a new toy, nothing serious. And the new lens mount. Canon will do anything to screw over those who have beenn with them for some time. Just another way to make things difficult.
Sounds to me that the "pros" wanted to get away with a smaller camera which meets what some might call a "pro" camera - whatever that is. That sounds like "cheating" - wanting to use a small camera as a pro substitute. Don't know whatever happened to the pros who used non-auto film cameras 30 years ago? Was Ansel Adams not a pro then?
I'm not a "real" "pro" 'cause I've only sold a few prints in and photo gallery and "only" used my Canon G models for community paper shots. But I got good shots which a professional printer could use and make look good.
For me, I want to "upgrade" from a G12 which I'm really pushing both macro (love the 1 cm focus but have to use manual which inevitably brings up the flash setting) and tele. I'm really more into the Nikon mystique because their "semi-pro" cameras are great in my experience. But then, arguing is sorta like Mac vs Windows or Lamborghini vs Ferrari. You like what you like and you then go and be an photo artist.
Don't want a viewfinder, get something else. But I'll bet you aren't any better with you mini-cams than you are with your DSLRs. You're just struttin' by denigrating a camera you haven't even tested. Hey, with a most viewfinders you don't see what you've taken and have no idea how it turned out. With a so-called "live view" screen, you can see. And if you need to be sure, just shoot a dozen shots and one'll be good, or not.
Stop complaining and go try another brand. Maybe you might like it. Try a Nikon "real" DSLR and get rid of your Canon antiques. Otherwise, just shut up. The JPEGS and Raw images come out of the card from all cameras the same. The tech is just tech. If you can get good photos from a jellybean, use a jellybean. The Canon or Nikon names mean nothing if you can't get photos. Oh. Maybe you're just boasting about how good you are because you use the "best" pro equipment. Continual negativity repetition doesn't help me. My response would be No if there was a vote choice of whether your comment helped me.
Wannabe? Dork? Dude lighten up, it ain't for you but it will work for others. Not everyone wants to be a pro. I think it's a good first effort and, I am sure Canon will quickly get the the lead with this one too.
But the camera will have available lens adaptor to be able to use any ef lens. The new mount is so they can miniaturize the whole camera setup
You are completely right. No VF, no deal.
Not everybody have your taste!
The hot shoe is over the lens mount, so you could add viewfinders from Voightlander or vintage ones. I think if the viewfinder is killing it for you, then the Fuji Xpro1 should be considered.
Also, this is their first mirrorless... I see this as a great start.
I agree!!! Standing with the sun at your back trying to use a camera with no viewfinder is a worthless experience. Selling a camera for $800 bucks and that condition is dumb as dirt.
Um... this is meant to cause excitement? Maybe three or four years ago... and then only maybe.
In all seriousness, how can Canon offer a camera in the EVIL segment without an EVF?
Oh wait... let's see, it's a P&S without the convenience of a P&S. That sounds innovative. To use a phrase from Canon's press release "a great solution to videographers and photographers of all levels." Well, this photographer didn't realise there actually was a problem to solve.
It seems that manufacturers don't get it... a small body that can connect to SLR lenses. WHY? It's the lenses that are bulky, not the camera so if you have an SLR system just take the SLR camera.
Thank you Canon, but no thank you.
ahh, look at the mode setting button. There are only 3 positions one of which is movie. I would suggest that the intended market for this camera is the amateur/home-body who wants to take home movies. And they've heard that the Canon DSLRs with all their lenses make great high quality movie cameras. So here's a movie camera with interchangeable lens masquerading as a P&S. Seems simple to me but then I'm in engineering not marketing.
This camera and nascent system sound potentially exciting. They ought to be interesting to a number of photographers, since the camera certainly sounds user-friendly.
Me, I still wish Canon would build a mirrorless camera that is fully manual in its focusing and has the option to let one use FD lenses. No, I don't eat sabre-tooth tiger, but the idea sounds kind of good. Where's my hunting club?
And when will there be a viewfinder (digital to accommodate the zoom) available? Without, the thing is like all the other mirror-less cameras, guesswork in sunlight! I had the Sony NEX-5 and it was hopeless until the NEX-7 came which is a delight to use.
Will it have the capability of at least three bracketed exposures? 3,5,and 7 would be even better. Sony certainly missed the mark with the NEX 7.
Hello,
Canon USA says this on their site:
"If Auto Exposure Bracketing (AEB) is used with the self-timer, the three bracketed shots will be taken in succession after the 10-sec. or 2-sec. delay."
Stop with the crop sensors already! Full image now!
Please explain about the finder.
No finder?
If no finder---- I am not intersting.
Anyway please tell me about finder.
No place to stick your eye ball, LCD only.
I have made a decent living as a professional photographer for over 40 years. To me, viewfinder is a necessary place for my correction diopters (I need glasses for close view) otherwise can't cope switching back and forth plus the reflections on those glasses. Please remember, if...all of you are lucky to live past 65 !
Can two of these camera be connected to take a photo at exactly the same time?
Hello,
Canon makes mention of a remote but with no details. We'll have to wait and see what remote control options there are available.
so, no mic-in :-(
Wouldn't it be more accurate to call this "Canon's first mirrorless EOS camera", "Canon's first mirrorless changeable lens camera" or "Canon's first mirrorless APS-C camera"? They've been selling digital P&S cameras with no mirror in them for well over a decade.
Absolutely correct. All point and shoots were mirrorless. Plus does this conform to the micro 4/3rds format that would allow useage of other lenses like Olympus, Panasonic and others? Sounds more like a hit and miss camera to me.
Are you really that linear or do you have zero cognitive abilities?
Its an EOS - see the title?
Its not a P/S, it's a Mirrorless.
P/s cams usually dont have interchangeable lenses.
Seriously, get up and go make some images and stop whining.
Nice camera here - needs a viewfinder though.
1. Very disappointed no VF. With sun at back and I see only my face reflection on the LCD of my G-11, I use the VF! 2. Can I use my 550Speedex with it?
Hello,
Your 550EX does not support E-TTL II. Standard E-TTL and TTL are supported. Not sure how the new camera will work with older flash models. At best you'll have limited TTL and worst case manual output only. We'll have to wait and see.
B&H guys:
Do you know what is the shutter lag difference vs the t3i or the t4i? None of the product descriptions say anything about it.
This is the key performance measure for me to decide, thanks in advanced
Hello,
No lag info is stated, but hands down the Phase Detection AF of an DSLR is far faster to that of the Contrast Detection of P/S and Mirrorless cameras. The EOS M Hybrid focusing looks interesting but we'll have to wait and see.
Very few cameras on the market are perfect for their target audience. With the rather big exception of the missing viewfinder, I would say this little Canon hits the sweet spot.
When the G1X came out, I was debating on getting one but decided to buy the Fuji X100. Its hybrid viewfinder is still amazing to this day and I love the rangefinder like handling and styling. Of course, the IQ is unbelievable too. But that camera is nowhere near perfect, with poor video performance and quirky operation issues.
I think if Canon releases an EVF accessory, this would be very intriguing to me. I am glad they decided not to add the horrible optical viewfinder from the G1X.
Lastly, for those that want a bounce flash, buy the 240EX instead.
Really, the Internet is a perfect place for everyone to be rude. Why so insulting? Why are SO many of you SO insulting? Are you really that nasty in your lives? Listen, before all these digital cameras people went out and took pictures because they knew how to use a camera. You have a viewfinder.... two of them, actually. They're called your eyes. And you can use that "cognitive ability" you tout to process the information. Be kind. And stop being elitist.
Now that was good and a precision cut. Bravo. Also very true. Be elitist - that's okay and points of view are interesting but the anger - dang, unnecessary and non-productive. I think I'll take out my Leica M2 double stroke - a tank, but helluva lot of fun ! And I'm an amateur from the word go, but still understand f-stops, depth of field, and spent plenty of hours in a real dark-room v photoshop. I appreciate the comments, analysis, etc. Helpful in deciding what's next ... pretty crazy, the speed of evolution in cameras.
Reading your comment and as well as the others so far, yours is the only that struck me as insulting. Elitist(?) because they comment on a 'must-have' (for them)?
The concern is perfectly legitimate and anyone who has used an LCD to frame a picture in sunlight can attest to. Even Leica realized the value of an actual VF and I know that Canon will follow suit by perhaps offering an accessory for this.
The pricing will tell us which market segment it is aimed for and deductively, it has to be priced above the G1X which puts it firmly in a Prosumer/serious user range. This is a customer range that has some concern about the VF so please don't castigate them for that.
Not a bad 1st entry. I'll also jump on the EVF as an option bandwagon. The multi-touch will be interesting to play with. I like the small size and ability to use my larger lenses on occasion but for most usage as a compact take along I think no built-in flash is a miss. Who wants to drag along a flash? Might as well bring the DSLR.
My daughters would love this camera, but the price and no built-in flash is a deal breaker for that demographic.
Guess we'll see how this pans out. Looking forward to V2...
Kudos to Canon for sloughing toward simplicity!
If this camera's as easy & as intuitive as the S90, then I'm buying one. For those of us (ex-Leica 'M' users) who make pictures with our eyes and use the camera to capture what we see, this looks to be what I need.
A DSLR has its place. Canon has the foresight to understand why a camera like this is needed. There is no one magical, do-it-all camera. The EOS-M seems to be a well thought-through tool, designed for shooting fast. I'm sure Gary Winogrand is smiling from the hereafter.
All this fussing over technology is futile, at best. A [great] camera is simply a box with shutter & aperture control--A fluid extension of the photographer. 35mm finders are easy to get. Most of the comments here are superfluous techno babble--because if you're so wrapped up in all the dials & touch screen, et al, ya aint' gonna get the pictures (or video).
As Cartier Bresson said, "... if you see a picture, its likely too late to take it." And if your head's stuck in the viewfinder, ya aint' shooting fast, either!
Could this be a workingman's Leica M-9? I'm sure the 'M' designation wasn't an accident. Thank you, Canon.
Again with a Bresson quote. ?..He shot from the hip, sneaky style, probably had an o seri f9
I'm thinking a loupe (LCD shade/magnifier) for outdoor use on sunny days would be almost as good as a separate electronic viewfinder. Also there would be no significant extra cost. A lot of point and shooters will probably not bother to use the viewfinder even if it is there (force of habit). Generally if it's that bright outdoors and the camera is set to auto the diaphragm will close down and the focus will not be critical anyway.